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	<title>Comments on: medical school to graduate school transition</title>
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		<title>By: mudphudder</title>
		<link>http://www.mudphudder.com/2009/04/medical-school-to-graduate-school-transition/comment-page-1/#comment-2517</link>
		<dc:creator>mudphudder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points Andrew.  I know a lot of people who used every minute of the two clinical years after they left graduate school to wrap up loose ends.  Just small things like, writing their dissertations or holding their thesis defenses...

I'll write something soon about mudphudders and the residency process.  I think you suggested that a while ago and I think it's a really good topic.  But to address publication record, I strongly suspect that the clinical interviewers are more impressed by a long list of publications rather than high profile publications.  For example, I don't think many residency interviewers could explain the difference between Cell and the Scandanavian Journal of Diagnostic Techniques.  Also, with regards to telling interviewers that your paper is "in review", "accepted" or "in press", I'm not so sure how well that goes over.  There a lot of medical students whose Journal of Orthopedic Pathology articles are "pending" and I suspect applicants whose research hasn't gone anywhere also use the "in review" or "in preparation" excuse.  So I think there is a greatly diminished appreciation if it's not on pubmed--especially in light of the fact that most interviewers don't fully appreciate an "accepted"/"in press" high profile article e.g. in Nature/Cell/Science.  However, for the few interviewers who do know about high profile journals, it is helpful to be able to say that your publication is accepted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points Andrew.  I know a lot of people who used every minute of the two clinical years after they left graduate school to wrap up loose ends.  Just small things like, writing their dissertations or holding their thesis defenses&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll write something soon about mudphudders and the residency process.  I think you suggested that a while ago and I think it&#8217;s a really good topic.  But to address publication record, I strongly suspect that the clinical interviewers are more impressed by a long list of publications rather than high profile publications.  For example, I don&#8217;t think many residency interviewers could explain the difference between Cell and the Scandanavian Journal of Diagnostic Techniques.  Also, with regards to telling interviewers that your paper is &#8220;in review&#8221;, &#8220;accepted&#8221; or &#8220;in press&#8221;, I&#8217;m not so sure how well that goes over.  There a lot of medical students whose Journal of Orthopedic Pathology articles are &#8220;pending&#8221; and I suspect applicants whose research hasn&#8217;t gone anywhere also use the &#8220;in review&#8221; or &#8220;in preparation&#8221; excuse.  So I think there is a greatly diminished appreciation if it&#8217;s not on pubmed&#8211;especially in light of the fact that most interviewers don&#8217;t fully appreciate an &#8220;accepted&#8221;/&#8221;in press&#8221; high profile article e.g. in Nature/Cell/Science.  However, for the few interviewers who do know about high profile journals, it is helpful to be able to say that your publication is accepted.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.mudphudder.com/2009/04/medical-school-to-graduate-school-transition/comment-page-1/#comment-2515</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 20:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One possible advantage of doing graduate school after second year is that it leaves you extra time to tie up loose ends after returning to clinic.  Granted, you won't be running into the lab to pipet during your surgery rotation, there's something to be said for having TWO years following the PhD.  Having just gone through a brutal submission process for my first paper, I can attest to the time and patience it can require for your work to reach the literature.  Consider the possible scenario where you submit a manuscript to a high-impact journal just as you're wrapping up the thesis.  It is probably to your advantage to have an extra "incubation" year for the paper to make it to press - especially if you can have it done in time to include on your CV for residency interview during Fall/Winter of 4th year.  Mudphudder, did you find that interviewers sized up your publication record during the application process?  I would speculate that if an MD/PhD has a major paper pending, it could help you alot to be able to tell your programs that it's been accepted for publication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One possible advantage of doing graduate school after second year is that it leaves you extra time to tie up loose ends after returning to clinic.  Granted, you won&#8217;t be running into the lab to pipet during your surgery rotation, there&#8217;s something to be said for having TWO years following the PhD.  Having just gone through a brutal submission process for my first paper, I can attest to the time and patience it can require for your work to reach the literature.  Consider the possible scenario where you submit a manuscript to a high-impact journal just as you&#8217;re wrapping up the thesis.  It is probably to your advantage to have an extra &#8220;incubation&#8221; year for the paper to make it to press - especially if you can have it done in time to include on your CV for residency interview during Fall/Winter of 4th year.  Mudphudder, did you find that interviewers sized up your publication record during the application process?  I would speculate that if an MD/PhD has a major paper pending, it could help you alot to be able to tell your programs that it&#8217;s been accepted for publication.</p>
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		<title>By: mudphudder</title>
		<link>http://www.mudphudder.com/2009/04/medical-school-to-graduate-school-transition/comment-page-1/#comment-2188</link>
		<dc:creator>mudphudder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 21:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maren - Thanks for your perspective on working with your classmates on the wards.  Also, I agree that a throw-away rotation on going back is key no matter when you go back (to 3rd or 4th yr).  I think the point I was trying to get across is that if you have important rotations (e.g. a sub-internship) left before the deadline for residency applications then there's not as much time for easing into the wards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maren - Thanks for your perspective on working with your classmates on the wards.  Also, I agree that a throw-away rotation on going back is key no matter when you go back (to 3rd or 4th yr).  I think the point I was trying to get across is that if you have important rotations (e.g. a sub-internship) left before the deadline for residency applications then there&#8217;s not as much time for easing into the wards.</p>
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		<title>By: Maren</title>
		<link>http://www.mudphudder.com/2009/04/medical-school-to-graduate-school-transition/comment-page-1/#comment-2180</link>
		<dc:creator>Maren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm an MD/PhD student at a program where most students enter graduate school after 3rd year, and one of the advantages I've heard from other students is that you get to do 3rd year with your medical school classmates. I'm just finishing up 2nd year, but I'm glad that I'll get to start 3rd year in July with my friends!  Another advantage is that you can continue to have clinical experience/make connections within your (clinical) field while you're doing your graduate school work.

As far as going back to 4th year, the advice I've heard is to pick a "throw-away" rotation to start with, and then don't blow 4th year off (as some med students do).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an MD/PhD student at a program where most students enter graduate school after 3rd year, and one of the advantages I&#8217;ve heard from other students is that you get to do 3rd year with your medical school classmates. I&#8217;m just finishing up 2nd year, but I&#8217;m glad that I&#8217;ll get to start 3rd year in July with my friends!  Another advantage is that you can continue to have clinical experience/make connections within your (clinical) field while you&#8217;re doing your graduate school work.</p>
<p>As far as going back to 4th year, the advice I&#8217;ve heard is to pick a &#8220;throw-away&#8221; rotation to start with, and then don&#8217;t blow 4th year off (as some med students do).</p>
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